hermes - 💡(How to fix) Fix [Feature]: the deadly 84k tokens [1 participants]

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NousResearch/hermes-agent#12813Fetched 2026-04-20 12:16:50
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suggesting — broader temperature policy, repeat/stall mitigation strategy, provider-health-driven switching

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i want to unpack some observations and questions that landed in support

  1. [where] does hermes go quadratic in python?
  2. glm has had a bad run since v9
  3. non-zero-temperature and the models that crumble: i anecdotally determined that playing with temperature has been the cause of seeing preview models unravel into poisoned degradation.

Proposed Solution

Hermes already has some related behavior here around fallback providers and model-specific handling,

suggesting — broader temperature policy, repeat/stall mitigation strategy, provider-health-driven switching

...so i recently hammered on hermes to tweak the model defaults to zero based on a lot of faint signals over time. my friend never had cracking preview models and I did, having set temps on kimi and others.

this was to spark a conversation about what amounts to assigning tokens to goal seeking performance metrics autotuning. a simple dht gossip could mapreduce to the interesting features building confidence scores and directing analysis of model covariance anomalies for example. broadcasting the mean on dht should cost nothing with a simple codec predictor logic.

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dumping cores to analyze catastrophes is not in the same zipcode. git is probably instrumental for that.

A simple dht doesn't need large user-base to profile the general performance norms across multiple dimensions. has security feature overlap as well. Happy to help!

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Performance / reliability

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Small (single file, < 50 lines)

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  • I'd like to implement this myself and submit a PR

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TL;DR

Adjusting the temperature policy in Hermes, specifically setting model defaults to zero, may help mitigate issues with preview models degrading.

Guidance

  • Investigate the relationship between temperature settings and model performance in Hermes to understand how temperature affects model stability.
  • Consider implementing a broader temperature policy and repeat/stall mitigation strategy to handle model-specific issues.
  • Explore the use of a distributed hash table (DHT) to gather performance metrics and detect anomalies in model behavior.
  • Review the current fallback provider and model-specific handling in Hermes to identify potential areas for improvement.

Example

No specific code example is provided, but adjusting model defaults to zero, as mentioned, could be a starting point for testing: model_default_temperature = 0.

Notes

The issue lacks specific technical details, and the proposed solution is more conceptual. Further investigation and experimentation are needed to determine the root cause and effective solutions.

Recommendation

Apply workaround: Adjusting the temperature policy and exploring DHT-based performance metrics gathering may help mitigate the issues, but a more thorough analysis is required to determine the best approach.

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